will anyone care?!?!?!?!?!?

[negusm]

What about the 25 = 1984 Coupes ? They were all 5-speeds.

Nope. 85 was the first year.

[shelbyscarab]

I don't have a clear 100% picture of what state/condition your car is in. But, I'd definitely keep the paint original w/whatever decal package is supposed to be on the car. And overall I'd stick as close to stock as possible with everything else. You have a relatively rare car and in the future, the less molested, the more valuable. Go ahead and lightly modify it, (I am on mine, but NOTHING that I can't reverse very easily) Wheels, simple engine bolt ons, upgrade the brakes, etc. If you want a "stupidly fast car" which I can relate to Get another '85-'93 GT and go crazy! You can pick them up pretty cheap.

I think ASC's are on the verge of having a value upswing in the near future, due to finally reaching a certain age, low # of production, AND low # of surviving cars.

NOW is the time to buy an ASC if anyone wants one.

[tfs2121]

What about the 25 = 1984 Coupes ? They were all 5-speeds.

Nope. 85 was the first year.

Mike was it ALL 85 i always thought it was a half year thing i havent opend up my original tranny yet but i didnt think it was a WC

[negusm]

What about the 25 = 1984 Coupes ? They were all 5-speeds.

Nope. 85 was the first year.

Mike was it ALL 85 i always thought it was a half year thing i havent opend up my original tranny yet but i didnt think it was a WC

WellI'm not 100% sure but I am like 95% sure that all of them were.

I think they had to do it because the 5.0 finally broke the 200hp mark. You car is late enough anyways, it'll be a WC.

-Mike

[Sandy]

I know that all 1985 coupes were 5-speeds, but what was used as far as the tranny for the 25 - 1984 coupes ?? ?? If it didn't get the T-5, then what ??

[ASCMCLRN]

Ok to clarify the transmission. Mike is right the World Class 5 speed transmission was first used in 1985.

Here is were I think the confusion comes in. 5 speeds in general were in use as of mid year of 1983. One notable thing the world class has a 3.35 1st gear ratio were as the other was 2.95. They both were rated for 265 tq, however the world class had many other improvements as well. Here is a useful link to read up some more.

http://www.mustanggt.org/gttranny.htm

Nick

[negusm]

I know that all 1985 coupes were 5-speeds, but what was used as far as the tranny for the 25 - 1984 coupes ?? ?? If it didn't get the T-5, then what ??

Sandy, all 5 speed transmissions on Mustangs from mid 1983+ are T5s. Not ALL 5 speed transmissions are WORLD CLASS T5s, however.

World Class T5s went behind the V8 cars (and 4cyl turbo cars?) starting in 1985. 4cyl non-turbo cars got a T5 but they are not supposed to be as strong I guess (plus the gearing is all wrong for a high horsepower application).

-Mike

[85GPIV]

I agree with Sandy and Mike (& others) that you should restore it back to original. If you want a go fast toy, find a "not-so-collectible" Capri/Mustang. That's what I did, but the other way around. I built my go fast toy out of a plain jane 79 RS, and now I am restoring one of the most collectible McLarens! BTW... This "keep 'em original" mantra goes way beyond Mclarens. It's a well known fact in the collector car community that all very rare cars are worth a lot more if they are kept original. Also, just because the original engine and other items are gone, doesn't mean you can't restore it to a numbers matching car. You just have to do research to get the right block/heads (tranny/rear-end) into the car. I am doing this wth my GPIV. When I bought my car the engine had been replaced, and the T-5 was blown. But when I am done, it will be a numbers matching car. Keep the rare ones original!

[ASCMCLRN]

Scott, wouldnt you agree simple bolt ons so he can enjoy the car? Many of us with mileage on the car know it wont make a difference adding another 10k or 20k miles especially if it flipped the dial. The main thing that matters is the condition you keep it in and as close to original in appearance as possible.

I started with a Powerdyne s/c that requires no oil line tappings. It was just like adding on another alternator. But horsepower is addicting and soon after came more mods, but she is true to form. I love these cars and wish I had it back in High School. I intend to enjoy my car and show it off and give the rest of yahs exposure, otherwise nobody will know about our cars.

Nick

[S]

k got ya, i guess the world class started in 85 then sometime
basically world class got bearings under each gear where as the NORMAL t 5 got just gears that rode on the shaft itself .. friction well..thats why their not world class! just roller bearings is all and different gear ratio is waht my teacher told me
and as for my car, its VERY POOR condition.. the exterior is completly heat crack paint, striping missing in some places (stickers ya know) NO ground effects on the car but still retains all original on the outside even to the rims. engine is too far gone, stock block and heads and thats about it, straight pipes and glass packs, stock brakes too (prolly replaced rotors sometime)

the way i see it .. i may just keep the blue and orange, then under the hood put an 03 04 cobra engine and just put waht i got right now up and MAYBE one day i can get some original parts ( i doubt that, at least not for MY car and the original intake and waht not) so
ill go mikes route but more radical maybe
( have a law suit up, got hurt bad ina wreck and w/ that money well she will be done very fast)
like i said before I WILL KEEP IT FOREVER (or till barret jackson calls my name in 20 years)

but ithink im learnin still new stuff every day about that car!

and ill get pics up someday..........

[S]

BTW ask peter
he's seen my car and its conditon..its like my child.ill never think its ugly! but him..he can be more honest about her.

[85GPIV]

Trust me, I know all about restoring a very poor car. As I mentioned, when I bought my car, it was no where near stock. All the A/C equipment was gone, as well as all the smog equipment. The original block had been replaced with an off the shelf rebuild, and it had aftermarket intake, carb and exhaust. The T-5 had a hole in the side of the case from being blown up. The 7.5 diff was whining horriblly and ready to seize. All the brakes were bad. And of course the interior had to be completely gutted and re-upholstered, as well as the Premium Sound being long gone. There was massive rust throughout. It was so bad that I had to buy another rust-free junk yard car for the body shop to cut and paste my GPIV back together. There is almost nothing left of the donor car! I have all new Mclaren aerodynamics (skirts & llightcovers) and a new GPIV decal set! I've spent two years buying parts off Ebay and scouring junk yards to get my car back to original. Anyway, my point is that no car is beyond restoration. It just takes time and money. Time & money!

I do agree that minor bolt ons that can be easily reversed are good. I plan on keeping the MSW type 20 that are on my car right now. I like their looks. And I'll probably leave a few minor bolt ons on the engine llike intake, carb, and headers. But I'll keep the stock parts in my garage, for originality reseans.

Shaine, whatever you decide will be good. It's your car and you should make it into whatever you want because that's how you will get the most enjoyment out of it!

[tfs2121]

his car is rough but its no worse then what my car was when i got it... i think his car is in better shape then when i got mine but my engine was un molested un like his. as far as the differince between a T5 and a WC T5 it mostly has to do with the bearing cages under the gears and different blocker rings there were other changes too to things like gear ratios but that happend like EVERY year

this is an awsome site that will help anyone with a WC T5 out aslong as they still have there tag
http://ddperformance.com/Trans%20ID%20chart.htm

[tfs2121]

pics of the car in question
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/351725

[Sandy]

Shaine, know what? To return her to original will put you in the poor house until your hair is all grey. Drive it. Enjoy it. Have fun!

If you want another one, sell that one for as much $$$ as possible, & lay low and watch e-bay and one that is closer to stock, with less needed $$$$ and work, will come along. Try & find one that's allready on 3rd base !