Recent auction result of 3K mile '90

[CHAZ]

http://www.leakecar.com/PreviousAuction ... on=TULSA09

Claims it's the "last to leave the factory"...
and a 5 speed

[negusm]

Why is it that I thought Sandy or Hank had the last one?

Don't know really.

-Mike

[Sandy]

What a laugh! This person took what I wrote about my car (to him in a letter) and altered the color to match his car, as well as the mileage to match his car and left all the rest untouched. I have the last car and there can be only 1 "last car" - She is Azura Blue with Light & Dark Crystal Blue (new for '90) interior & a Dark Blue cambria cloth roof.
She has the (1990 only) 360 degree bumper-body-bumper tape stripe in silver metallic. She has the Keyless Illuninated Entry System. She Does NOT have the Whistler Radar. She has 2,300 miles. She is stock. Her Dash plaque in # 299. There was a car with number 300, but it was finished before mine & shipped, and my car's VIN is 1 digit higher than that car.

My silver car is 1 of 2 25th Silver Anniversary Editions ultimately made IN the Anniversary Silver with Scarlet interior. My roof is black, because ascMcLaren never recieved the Aresma Silver roofs from the supplier, before getting the note from FOMOCO to NOT celebrate a FOMOCO anniversary..... That car has 7,320 miles I bought her "used" (trust me, she is 100% perfect) from a person connected to the New Hampshire Car Museum, where it was on exhibit.

I am still laughing that he used what I wrote. Man 'O Man

READ THIS if you have not

http://www.ascmclaren.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2927

[Rainmanoly]

Even more funny!

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/car ... 59977.html

$32,000K!!!!!!!! You want that all at once!?!??!?

[Sandy]

June 12th?? What did it sell for,or did it sell ?? It's a lie, once again!
Mine IS THE LAST ONE! I swear it to you and the other is 1 of 2 Silver Anniversarys.

[Sandy]

NO SALE ! HIGH BID WAS $ 19,500.00 What it's worth, for sure !

[negusm]

High bid was $19,500 and it didn't sell. He's not very bright if he didn't take the money.

Could be that was the minimum bid and nobody bid...don't know exactly.

-Mike

[RARE-ASC]

High bid was $19,500 and it didn't sell. He's not very bright if he didn't take the money.

Could be that was the minimum bid and nobody bid...don't know exactly.

-Mike

Well Mike it was the last car and all......

[RNE]

Sandy,
just a little thought here....

We all know the cars wern't converted by VIN; I'm confident the dash plaques were not really in complete sequence either; however if the statment you made which I quote below is true, from your account of the anniversary cars - and there were only 65 cars in 90, which seems to be consensus, you don't have the "FINAL" OR "4th of 12" cars.
The Leake auction car probably isn't the last car out the door either, but be careful who you call a liar. He may have proof, and not take kindly to those words.
Other than the highest VIN and second to 'Last' dash #, why would you think you have the last car when all the anniversary cars were completed AFTER #300, by your own admission? ................Just saying or writing it enough times doesn't make it fact. Which is the actual 'LAST' car? the person with the most web post claiming so? High dash #? High VIN? How exactly do you purport to own the "FINAL" car? Just in case it shows up at an auction with that claim in the distant future, and somone on the web claims BULLSH!T.



"The twelve cars arrived at ascMcLaren in January and were set aside from the other "mules". To "mark" them as special, as soon as they arrived their dash plaques were installed. They used different Dash Plaque numbers, beginning with # 1900 and going up through 1911."

"When all 53 (the actual real number of 1990 ascMcLarens were ordered from nationwide dealers) were built & shipped, McLaren was STILL awaiting the Aresma Silver Cloth Weave roofs to arrive! They were very late! So, the 53 regular examples had been shipped to waiting dealers & there was considerable room in the building, so, they brought in 2 of the bucks waiting outdoors to be made into 25th Anniversary Editions. These two were converted, but still...no tops arrived. So, they were stored inside the building, being done, but topless! It was THEN that they got the lawyer's letter not to built an Anniversary model, as only Ford Motor Company can issue a comemmortive edition to celebrate an anniversary of one of their cars. SOooo, asc/MClaren scrapped the idea and the Aresma Silver tops STILL were nowhere in sight! So, they put a black cloth top on one(MINE) and a "claret-wine" top on the other and sent them one to New Hampshire & the other to Florida."

Regards,
RNE

[Sandy]

I know because the employees & I had gotten to know one & other and my car has the highest VIN # of the 1990s, and one of the guys at ascMcLaren parked it by itself, away from the others. He had hoped to buy it, but he could not get the loans he needed. He kept it seperated from the others, and no, not all 65, they were down to like 20 cars at that point. It was the last remaining blue interiored car that was AUTOMATIC!
Several people there knew it was the highest VIN and decided to make it the last regular McLaren. Remember they were still awaiting the Aresma Silver roofs, from Germany, which never came!

The Silver Anniversary car is one of 12 forcast. 2 were actually made, and neither of us got the silver roof. Mine has Scarlet interior & a black top, the other one has scarlet interior and the Claret-Wine top. the OTHER 10 set aside cars, were all painted white or red or black, to go with the red interior. Some had white tops, some had black tops and some had the Claret-Red tops.

Don't forget that all during the 1988, 1989 & 1990 built at ascMcLaren I was constantly in touch with managers and foremen there, and I have all of the documentation, as well as sheets upon sheets of VINS and car descriptions, how each car was built (1988) - where the colors came from that was never made public, but I did in on this site.
The other 10 1990 units with 1900 thru 1911 that were painted white red or black, I do not really consider to be 25th anniversary editions. They are not painted in the color they were to be in, therefore they also have no identifying features, only the Dash Plaque ~ My Azura Blue car is the highest VIN and the 53rd in sequence and the last car PRIOR to the 12 mules set aside to become 25th Anniversary Editions, in Sterling Silver Metallic, of which only 2 were made in color.
It's Dash Plaque is # 1904. The OTHER unit made Silver is # 1907l and has the Claret-Wine color top.

You seem to want to pick some odd kinda argument with me.
So there is no reason to reply further with you.
Ask the people on here, how much I have assisted & helped them wiith
info pertaining to their vehicles.
How did I do that without connections?
Have a nice day!

[RARE-ASC]

Sandy,
just a little thought here....

We all know the cars wern't converted by VIN; I'm confident the dash plaques were not really in complete sequence either; however if the statment you made which I quote below is true, from your account of the anniversary cars - and there were only 65 cars in 90, which seems to be consensus, you don't have the "FINAL" OR "4th of 12" cars.
The Leake auction car probably isn't the last car out the door either, but be careful who you call a liar. He may have proof, and not take kindly to those words.
Other than the highest VIN and second to 'Last' dash #, why would you think you have the last car when all the anniversary cars were completed AFTER #300, by your own admission? ................Just saying or writing it enough times doesn't make it fact. Which is the actual 'LAST' car? the person with the most web post claiming so? High dash #? High VIN? How exactly do you purport to own the "FINAL" car? Just in case it shows up at an auction with that claim in the distant future, and somone on the web claims BULLSH!T.



"The twelve cars arrived at ascMcLaren in January and were set aside from the other "mules". To "mark" them as special, as soon as they arrived their dash plaques were installed. They used different Dash Plaque numbers, beginning with # 1900 and going up through 1911."

"When all 53 (the actual real number of 1990 ascMcLarens were ordered from nationwide dealers) were built & shipped, McLaren was STILL awaiting the Aresma Silver Cloth Weave roofs to arrive! They were very late! So, the 53 regular examples had been shipped to waiting dealers & there was considerable room in the building, so, they brought in 2 of the bucks waiting outdoors to be made into 25th Anniversary Editions. These two were converted, but still...no tops arrived. So, they were stored inside the building, being done, but topless! It was THEN that they got the lawyer's letter not to built an Anniversary model, as only Ford Motor Company can issue a comemmortive edition to celebrate an anniversary of one of their cars. SOooo, asc/MClaren scrapped the idea and the Aresma Silver tops STILL were nowhere in sight! So, they put a black cloth top on one(MINE) and a "claret-wine" top on the other and sent them one to New Hampshire & the other to Florida."

Regards,
RNE

I do know 1 thing for sure when it comes to knowledge of an ASC Mclarens much less one owned by Sandy he knows his stuff so i find it very very hard to question him. If you are the owner or friend of the owner or the guy who sold it to him on that very nice 1990 and Sandy says its not the final one most likely it is not! I even believe Sandy has actual photos of his Final car leaving or at factory long before photos shopping it should be quite easy to actually put this issue in ? to bed i bet Sandy has the dates when cars were done. Could not think of a better post to ring in my 1000th one Thanks and good job Sandy on all the info you so nicely a have devoted and your time year in and out to all!

[Sandy]

Much appreciated, David.
Pictures are few & far between as ascMcLaren frowned HARD upon employees taking photos. Most were done with cell phones and in 1989 or so, few were around. (if any).

Regading MY Azura Blue 1990, to make it clear, it was THE LAST CAR MADE of the 53 "Regular" ascMcLarens. After mine, the 12 "Mules" parked outside were still White LX 2-Dr. Coupes with Scarlet Interior and Dash Plaques of 1900 to 1911, waiting in the sun and dirty as heck - waiting for the Aresma Silver roofs to arrive! Employees were sent home.
As stated, the factory was empty, a partial crew stood guard. Then they decided to bring in 2 "mules" to convert, as it seemed like the tops were "on their way". They made 2 (TWO) 25th Silver Anniversary cars. Kept 'em inside, topless!!!!
It was THEN that ASC recieved a lawyer's letter from a FoMoCo attorney, telling them NOT to make a car comemmorating a FORD anniversary.
Still, the tops did not arrive. A tele call to Gerrmany confirmed they were not even MADE yet! So, ascMcLaren cancelled the order.
The remaining cars (10) were each completed as normal regular McLarens, either in White, Red or Black. They can be told as their Dash Plaques would be 1900 thru 1911. My car (the Silver one) is 1 of the 2 that were brought in and made, awaiting their roofs. Mine is 1904 and the other one is 1907. 1907 is in Florida, near Henry Huisman's place, but does not belong to Henry Huisman. Its roof is the Claret-Wine selection.
The Red car 4-Sale that RNE is speaking of.....
IF it's Dash Plaque is # 1900 and it's VIN is 132859 then it was intended to be a 25th Silver Anniversary. If not, it is DEFINATELY NOT the last Non-Siver Anniversary (my Azura is) and it's then not a 25th Silver Anniversary intender either.

[Sandy]

Went to the Aucton site. That car has GREY interior, so it cannot be a Silver Anniversary car. So, it's not the final NON Silver Anniversary car. that would be MY Azura Blue one. The notes under the pic have many many errors. See below:-

"ASC Corporation built the McLaren convertible based on the Mustang LX chassis from 1987 to 1990. The cars were purchased from Ford with all available options including the high output 5.0 engine and traction lock differential. ASC then stripped and repainted the cars with a higher grade Sikkens paint and added unique ground effects, rear wing, special 15 X 7 wheels and lowered the rake of the windshield. The interior, except for the dash, was completely changed with the backseat deleted. A Cambria cloth convertible top replaces the original Ford top and folds flush under the tonneau cover. This car has the only two options offered, the keyless entry system and remote radar detector. Total production from 1987 through 1990 was 1,791 cars. Total 1990 production was 65 cars. This car was the only red 5-speed built and the last to leave the factory in 1990. Original sticker price was $32,000.00. 3,095 original miles, original owner. Car is all original except for battery, fluids and tires. Extensive documentation. The last and best McLaren available.""TOTAL 1987-1990 was 1,806. It was NOT the last to leave the factory, It's MSRLP was NOT $32,000 which was impossible...even with automatic trans (not on this car) and even with the Radar AND the Illuminated Keyless Entry AND ALARM system.

[RNE]

Last car of 53 'REGULAR' cars still leaves 12 cars, meaning your anniversary car and the other 11 were all built AFTER your 'LAST' car, period.
I have no issue with you; on the whole your information is reliable, but having been around myself, and very much in the automotive business, I am also aware of some things you just are flat wrong about.

You have again written that your 'LAST' car was only the last of 53, not of 65 built - sorry Sandy, it's not the last car made. I doubt anyone knows which was the last car built, you seem to have it narrowed down to 12, or not, but your account of the car sitting around waiting on money to sell, whether it left the facility last or not, still only makes it #53 of 65.

Man up, some other than you owns the LAST CAR ASC CONVERTED from a 90 Mustang. Last usually means LAST off the assembly line - since these were not even attempted to be built by VIN, highest VIN doesn't count. One of the 10 aborted anniversary cars is last. Read your own accounts, do the math, and get over it. Stop trying to convince people here and elsewhere of something that simply is not true. My point being that there are 10 potential last cars; you don't have one of them, the Leake car may be it and you don't know, but anyone reading and believing your account of the anniversary cars has to come to the same conclusion - the last car built, or finished, whatever, is out there and not in one of our garages.

Have a nice day, and when you get the balls change your count to #53 of 65 and whatever you think your anniversary car is. 1 or 2 of 12. It's still a nice car collection, you don't need to call it something it's not.

Best Regards,
RNE

[negusm]

I am glad there is some passion behind these cars but argueing amongst our small community isn't productive.

Agree to disagree on the definition of the last asc Mustang and leave it at that.

RNE, read your post, and some of you past ones. They are angry and agressive. I won't tolerate any more of it.

-Mike