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Hi: I have owned my 1986 Mclaren convert since 87 . Bought it from Porsche dealer with 856 miles and drove it for one year and semi stored it. Kept it at our summer home drove it 30 miles year with idea that when I retired I would have time to enjoy it and it wouldbe neat .

I used to be chased always going to Elkart Lake by everyone- what is that ? so I wanted to keep it cause it was aneat car and it was in my favoritecolors JPS black and tan with all options including 5speed except RECAROs.Ialso knew there would be no 5 speeds expect except classics so I kept it.It is okshape except liittle stuff fading rock tires bad windows top sagging spoiler

Now finally i was forced to be retired. Disabled actually but who cares. Luckilly my niece married last year a guy who owns an old time repair shop in st louis who has old schol friends who work on cool stuff. Bottom line i get to restore my Mclaren with 15000 miles But I do not know much, as i worked 80 hours for 20 years, and I did not keep up with parts and restoring these. I did contact Sandy who was super nice a couple of times to say hi, who must have tthought I must be insane for leaving the car sitting but if you are on the road 80%you do not liveyou exist.
I want to do it right and help the people doing it . so i have many ? But i do not want to be a butt pang!

TOPS?What is best TIREand size ? I have original GOod years on car. Where can i BUY a set of tan leatherRECAROS?How doi best fix the fiberglass fade? Should i buy a parts car now?Are there fixes for some of the cars problems like cowl shake?Is Hank the only parts source?
Help is greatly appreciated? All is needed.

I am not poor but I cannot spendmoney foolishly and expect to remain married .I have budgeted 10k for redoing the car and fixing some of the flaws in its design I thank all of you in advance Mike and Kris Jacobi :D
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Welcome!

Contact Hank in Florida for ascMcLaren parts (www.ascmclaren.com).

He should have upholstery to redo your seats.

There aren't too many ascmclaren parts cars out there...if any...and for what people want for a parts car, there is usually not enough left to make it worth having. Plus, your car has such low mileage, parts from a parts car isn't going to cut it.

Good news is that past the ascMcLaren pieces, the car is a Mustang (Capri, I know) and mechanical parts are fairly easy to source still.

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beakyboy wrote: I did contact Sandy who was super nice a couple of times to say hi, who must have tthought I must be insane for leaving the car sitting but if you are on the road 80%you do not liveyou exist.

hahaha you have 1 car that sits and you dont drive sandy has 3!... you guys should be best friends!
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Know what ya mean, about work. I too never had a day off. Hated it.
I did 60 + hours a week, from 1969 until 1989. No life. Work, sleep, work, sleep.

Good luck with your resto. A 15,000 mile Capri McLaren deserves to be done correct.


Peter: Shut Up. :twisted:
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Took ours for a 100+ mile run today. Performed flawlessly. I still hate the 'loading up & rough idle' after a few minutes at a traffic light. Been told it's because of the fuel injection and the B303 cam package. Don't know how many they made but my plate on the fuel injection intake, my wheel centers and my leather steering wheel all say "5.0 SC". Haven't seen another one yet like it.
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I had thought the verts did not come with the B303. But there has been descrepancies on engine mods to these cars anyway.

I would pull the codes from the computer to make sure sensors (like the MAP sensor, O2 sensors, etc) are functioning OK.

I would also check for vaccum leaks....


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Verts didn't get the b303.

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First Step New Top

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Well I Got real lucky - i bought a new top on ebay so I am off to a start What I really want is a set of recaros to buy to replace my seats which are mint but not recaros . MaybeI will buy the car in Dalton Il just for the seats? Or anyone willing to trade seats For $? My Car does run extremely stronng as it never had EPA gas in it and was run every year 30 miles on a private road . It also had MObil One in it so it was srarted every 3 months and the moisture blown out . Just the original Good years are rocks. Anyone who wants them leave me know Thwy are NOS just square.
Has anyone used any modfication to suspension to stiffen body and help with cowl shake? Did it help and what did you do? Thank you in advance
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You have the original Good Year T/A tires? What is the size?

I might be interested in them except I might not know where to store them.

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I really would not think about "firming up the suspension" ~ These 'Verts ride stiff as they are. Unless you drive exclusively on just repaved roads, the pot-holes, joint strips, construction sites, with a hurry-up crappy fill in and a Mother Goose repaving job are gonna tire you about pretty quickly. I'd personally welcome softer shocks / suspension. Not to mention the squeeks & rattles from your convertible roof and the single knock atop the windshield header when you really hit a bad one.

In New Jersey a road sign that alerts drivers that says
"ROAD WORK AHEAD" never ever means that they are filling in pot holes left behind by utility workers. It means that they are once again cutting up the road, giving birth to yet even more pot holes. :cry:
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If Mike passes on the tires I may want them.
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beakyboy wrote:Well I Got real lucky - i bought a new top on ebay so I am off to a start... Has anyone used any modfication to suspension to stiffen body and help with cowl shake? Did it help and what did you do? Thank you in advance
Hmmm... great questions. I think I can help here as my personal restoration project has already taken me down similar roads with the '88. Interesting that you ended up buying that tan colored top recently on ebay. I had it watchlisted and came close to bidding on it for a spare. Even though my original is black not tan... certain parts are so hard to come by for these cars that if it went cheap enough I couldn't have resisted! Glad it found a great home.

Anyhow, I completely understand wanting to stiffen the body structure and reduce cowl shake. Smart move. I can't stand the 'shake/rattle/'n roll' either! Of course coming out of a Lexus LS-400 that was built like a bank vault and into a McLaren probably doesn't help much... but hey, that's beside the point. :roll: Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

In a nutshell, preventing the chassis from flexing allows the suspension to do its job, plain and simple. The suspension in these cars is set up fairly stiff, which is a double-whammy when coupled to a flexible body structure. Although ASC did quite a bit of underbody strengthening on these cars (confirmed as I've already spent a LOT of time underneath mine... possibly more than spent driving it! :shock: ), these cars were built during an era more based in 'trial and error', not modern CAD/CAM stress analysis engineering. Fact is, any of these cars with careful research and parts selection, there is plenty of improvement to be had for a modest investment of time and cost.

Even if 100% "originality" is somewhat important to you, there is nothing I'm going to mention right now that isn't completely and easily reversible in an afternoon if ever desired. Here's what I recommend: A strut tower brace right off the bat - HUGE improvement. It triangulates the suspension loads between both front corners and the firewall. Easy bolt-on install. $100-150 bucks and cash very well spent. Next, a K-member brace. This goes beneath the car and stiffens the front support structure on these highly flexible uni-body cars. I'd follow with some urethane steering rack bushings which substantially improves on-center steering feel and directness, stainless steel shifter bushings install in 15 minutes and take the slop and 'rubberyness' out of the stock shifter.

Also strongly recommend a new OEM transmission mount because this inexpensive, highly-stressed component has likely sagged simply due to age (do NOT install a polyurethane trans mount - they transmit an obscene amount of vibration on these cars... just ask me how I know!). 1/2 hour job and a $35 part at your friendly local Ford dealer. Makes the drivetrain feel significantly smoother from a vibration perspective and corrects the important driveshaft angle back to original specs. Carefully inspect all of your suspension and driveline bushings while you're under there. Even with only 15K of use, depending on how and where the car has been stored, a lot of the rubber components may have experienced significant degradation over time. They're cheap and in the grand scheme of things, not all that much work to replace. Cumulatively, they'll make a HUGE difference in the overall driving 'feel' of the car.

Now... while I'm thinking of it - completely flush the brake fluid with a modern synthetic DOT4 fluid. A whole quart of the stuff is $7 bucks at AutoZone. Perfect time to also replace the stock junk rubber brake hoses with aftermarket braided lines. It's a fairly inexpensive safety addition that will give a far firmer, more progressive pedal feel with much better overall modulation. If you prefer not to go that route, just replace with new OEM lines... they're cheap and yours are now 24 years old... point being - don't forget about the brakes!

And if you REALLY want to go all the way with the body structure and make your '86 drive more like an '06, in conjunction with everything else I've just mentioned, have a professional weld in a set of subframe connectors. These were developed originally by drag racers making 3 or 4 times the stock Ford horsepower who couldn't tolerate the 'Flexi-Flyer' nature of the stock Fox body. Happens to work exceptionally well at tying everything together... even on a bone stock 'daily driver'. This is the only 'mod' which wouldn't be easily reversible but I can assure you the difference will be like night and day. Even with ALL of this done to your car, the only visible component would be the strut tower brace underhood... even Ford took lessons from the aftermarket and made this a stock component beginning in the '94 model year on V-8 powered cars. If you do everything listed here you won't think you're still driving the same car. It'll feel... well... "modern" basically. And with only 15K on the clock, yours will drive 'better than new'. If you'd like to discuss anything in particular feel free to PM or just share with the group. Thanks for your post. Hope this helps! 8)
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Tires and Suspension

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The tires are yes original and I will donate them to a worthy cause. They are not good but are NOS.
Thank you for your help on suspension . Iam not a person who wants a showpiece just a fun good looking solid car After holding on to it for 23 years now I could really care less about value but want to make it nice and buy all the options it could have had. I really appreciate all the time and advice on suspension pieces. I will do every modification as I value handling and performance.Wisconsin roads are generally good and my arse is broad so I will take the stiffness. My daily drivers are a 2010 SHO Performnce and a 1 of 1 made 2009 Caddy DTS performance platinum edition.So puberty came late.
A stupid question Auto transmision you replace fluids . 5 speeds what do you do for maintainenence? Or do you just tell a shop to p replace every fluid in the car ? I am just a little dumb sorry?
I have owned multiple Allantes so I know what a solid convert is albeit they lived in the GM dealer more than my driveway, Last one burned up right in front of the dealer. Service manager said to me do not know whether to cry or laugh - I told him to laugh -God put that car out of its misery.
If anybody is real happy with the tires they used as replacements I am all ears . I have not replaced tires in a long time so help is appreciated.
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the T5 5 speed trans takes ATF i want to say 3qt. just drain and fill. just like an engine.

make sure the tires make it to negusm or plumkrazy and if they dont want them i will pay shipping for them.
~Peter
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