Sad sight at a local junk yard, Mclaren Mustang, PICS

87ASC · Post by **87ASC** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:55 pm

Yes he is the owner of www.ascmclaren.com. You can find all kinds of parts online their and even more that he did'nt list on his website if you call him

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shelbyscarab · Post by **shelbyscarab** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:50 pm

Geez, thats really too bad, wonder what the story is on what happened to it.......

Someone should strip all the good parts off it or talk this junkyard owner into buying the whole thing. Twenty years from now, McLarens might be worth alot more than they are now....

87ASC · Post by **87ASC** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:15 pm

shelbyscarab wrote:Geez, thats really too bad, wonder what the story is on what happened to it.......

Someone should strip all the good parts off it or talk this junkyard owner into buying the whole thing. Twenty years from now, McLarens might be worth alot more than they are now....

That is what I am going to. Keep the McLaren as long as I can hopefully it well still be here in 30 years. Be cool to see what it be worth in 30 or 20 years like you see in the photo they have be known to get into wrecks

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Sandy · Post by **Sandy** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:11 pm

I believe certain colors are less $$$ than others. White, Dark Brown & Maroon (actually Claret-Wine) are less, I'm pretty sure of it.

Hank Huisman is the owner of
http://www.ascmclaren.com

ASCMCLRN · Post by **ASCMCLRN** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:18 pm

BTW this is all speculation but in 30 years from now we more then likely wont be able to drive our vehicles let alone on the roads with what is yet to come. Few points. First unless there is a conversion for whatever the new fuel is by then, next Govt laws may forbid use (pollution, unsafe, too slow?), and would they even be able to keep up with the performance of future transportation to be worth being a hobby? Technology is moving at a much more rapid rate then it has in the past. One thing about the muscle cars is that those cars performed just as well if not better then most cars made 30 years after them. Historically I doubt that would ever happen again as technology is proggressing and we all may be holding onto Museum peices.

Nick

87ASC · Post by **87ASC** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:55 pm

Yeah, but you have to take into conderation that Mustangs are really fast already

. The5.0's were very customizable that what made them so popular I am sure that we can we can keep up with technology because they have to have a kit for our engines or alot of people would be be really

. I am surewe can keep up with the speed

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shelbyscarab · Post by **shelbyscarab** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:35 pm

Damn, Nick you brought me down...........

I hope some of the things you mention don't happen.

Speaking about the availability of oil in the future, I know there is only a finite amount left as a natural resource. That, which helps dictate the high gas prices, plus the middle east turmoil that will never end, makes me wonder when the first questions will be brought up about frivilous uses of the oil we have now. There are some certain automotive events (no not sports) that tend to use enormous amounts of oil, I'm just waiting to hear a certain "crowd" in this country call for an end to these events.

idareu · Post by **idareu** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:26 pm

Watch this video.
This is the future of autos.

I like the fact you can change bodys

http://www.youtube.com/v/ry6w3mRm-FM

DaytonaTim · Post by **DaytonaTim** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:02 pm

There is one major flaw in that video clip. I work in this field and I see it every day........

The part where the host asks "Where do we get the hydrogen?"
His sidekick answered "Seawater"....................... not the whole answere.

It takes seawater AND energy. Now, where do we get the energy......?

Oh, I know, we can burn coal or oil or natural gas......... but wait a minute, don't they cause pollution.

Yes..... and there in lies the problem...... until we discover the first "Hydrogen mine" or get nuclear fusion working we will always be tied to the traditional fuels of the past.

ASCMCLRN · Post by **ASCMCLRN** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:50 am

shelbyscarab wrote:Damn, Nick you brought me down...........

I hope some of the things you mention don't happen.

Speaking about the availability of oil in the future, I know there is only a finite amount left as a natural resource. That, which helps dictate the high gas prices, plus the middle east turmoil that will never end, makes me wonder when the first questions will be brought up about frivilous uses of the oil we have now. There are some certain automotive events (no not sports) that tend to use enormous amounts of oil, I'm just waiting to hear a certain "crowd" in this country call for an end to these events.

I am sorry last thing I want to do is upset anyone. I just keep watching the emissions getting tougher and forcing our older cars off the roads. We can hopefully look to the future optimistically if we embrace it. We are slow to change but change can be very good. Before viewing that clip idareu posted I was thinking of how much better things can and will be then after seeing that I now believe it even more so. Who knows with technology perhaps there will be a new injection system that might be able to get us over 100mpg on our prehistoric gasoline power cars and maybe there will be places we can still fuel up at a premium price. Or imagine nastalgia car bodies we can slap on our new electric chassis. I recently test drove the new '07 Maxima with the cvt transmission. First thought was I like the shift shock why change lol. But the seemless performance was very impressive. Our cars will still be collectables.

Nick

ASCMCLRN · Post by **ASCMCLRN** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:53 am

DaytonaTim wrote:There is one major flaw in that video clip. I work in this field and I see it every day........

The part where the host asks "Where do we get the hydrogen?"
His sidekick answered "Seawater"....................... not the whole answere.

It takes seawater AND energy. Now, where do we get the energy......?

Oh, I know, we can burn coal or oil or natural gas......... but wait a minute, don't they cause pollution.

Yes..... and there in lies the problem...... until we discover the first "Hydrogen mine" or get nuclear fusion working we will always be tied to the traditional fuels of the past.

Wasn't the electricity the fuel part of it? I think of this in the sense of remote control cars. You can operate them on either gas or electric power depending on your preference.

Nick

DaytonaTim · Post by **DaytonaTim** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:26 pm

The electricity, for the car in the clip, was supplied by a fuelcell. A fuelcell is just a chemically charged battery. As long as you supply hydrogen and oxygen to the fuelcell it will produce electricity.

The problem is hydrogen does not occur in a pure state naturally in our environment. It readily reacts with other atoms........oxygen being one of them.

So, to get the Hydrogen we have to break its bonds with other atoms and to break these bonds we have to apply energy. The only sources of energy we have are either from nuclear or fossil fuels.

The only advantage to having a fuelcell car is that now the dirty end of the energy production is at a few large hydrogen generating facility. This allows the government to closely monitor the effluent clean up systems of just a few plants instead of millions and millions of tailpipes.

Forgive me if I go on and on. But it is like I said I work in this area and it is a pet peeve of mine when I hear people talking about how fuelcells are the magic energy source of the future......... They are not........ they are very fragile (imagine the internals of your engine made out of materials that are just a little more durable than a drinking glass). They are very susceptible to contamination, not that much more efficient that an internal combustion engine unless you go to very very high operating temperatures (1800 - 2000 degrees F which is equivalent to a very bright cherry red) and the fuel is very explosive (Apollo 13 found that out).

In my opinion fuelcells will never become a viable and practical energy source until we can control and harness the energy from nuclear fusion. Maybe by then it will have a chance of becoming economical and technologically viable.

So I would not worry too much about the internal combustion engined car going away. They will be here for quite some time. It is much more likely the government will begin to regulate the number of cars you are allowed to have. It is a lot easier to count and control cars (especially since a system is already in place to do that exact thing) in the near future than it is to overcome the technological barriers in the way of fuelcells.

Post by **negusm** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:40 pm

DaytonaTim wrote:The only advantage to having a fuelcell car is that now the dirty end of the energy production is at a few large hydrogen generating facility. This allows the government to closely monitor the effluent clean up systems of just a few plants instead of millions and millions of tailpipes.

That is a huge advantage though. Majorly HUGE.

That is unless they build all the needed electrical plants in Texas which doesn't give a rat's ass about the air in the rest of the country.

I used to follow this stuff more closely in college. Back in the early 90's there was a pretty big push into Flywheels it seems...but for some reason it never went far. I always figured, instead of batteries that if they used mechanical batteries (flywheels), they could get rid of the hazardous waste issue that electric cars will bring with their chemical batteries.

For some reason flywheels were never looked at for the major powering systems of a car. They were always set to spin up on braking and add a little extra boost...maybe they need to be too larg to store the energy needed to run a car for a day. I do know the claims were that they were like 98%-99% efficient. There was also an issue if you had an accident and broke one....all that mechanical energy has to go some where. Lately I haven't heard anything about them.

I blame the battery manufacturers for squashing them.

-Mike

Sandy · Post by **Sandy** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:26 pm

While I understand the need, the reason(s) and the scope of the situation, the other side of the dish is that all that we have come to love, that love of the automobile and the individualism of choice will all vanish. The "excitement" of the "nifty fifties" ~ the fins, the tri-paint colors, the sexy-sixtys of sleek lines and psycodellic colors and horsepower and the many many limited editions of the eighties and the elegant coupes of the nineties will all be but a dream gone bad, as we will all drive appliance-automobiles of white, silver or black, all with the same type of engine, similiar looking "transportation devices" ~ toasters on wheels. Designers will have very little vertical or lateral movement regarding style, and passenger packaging. An finally the long standing love affair with the automobile will be laid to rest. They will be as similiar as passenger trains on a RR track.

Post by **negusm** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:02 pm

Sandy wrote:While I understand the need, the reason(s) and the scope of the situation, the other side of the dish is that all that we have come to love, that love of the automobile and the individualism of choice will all vanish. The "excitement" of the "nifty fifties" ~ the fins, the tri-paint colors, the sexy-sixtys of sleek lines and psycodellic colors and horsepower and the many many limited editions of the eighties and the elegant coupes of the nineties will all be but a dream gone bad, as we will all drive appliance-automobiles of white, silver or black, all with the same type of engine, similiar looking "transportation devices" ~ toasters on wheels. Designers will have very little vertical or lateral movement regarding style, and passenger packaging. An finally the long standing love affair with the automobile will be laid to rest. They will be as similiar as passenger trains on a RR track.

As long as there are vehicles for personal transportation...they will always be individualised. Everything from Mountain Bikes to Mopeds to Crotch Rockets to Sports Cars provide some form of individual expression. Whatever replaces the car will be no different.

So, Sandy, I respectfully disagree with you

-Mike