87 and 140 M.P.H. Speedo.

[87ASC]

I was wondering if my 87 is supposed to have a 140 M.P.H. Speedo.

[shelbyscarab]

I'm pretty sure, no.

I don't think Ford put 140s in till '89. the '87 and '88s got the 85 speedos.

Brilliant, huh?

[87ASC]

Well none of the 87's I looked at on www.ascmclaren.com had a 140 Speedo on it. But I did find a 88 with it.

[Sandy]

Yes, but LOOK. The exterior mirrors are on the exterior DOOR, NOT attached to the "A" pillar, so....it's a late late 1988. The Speedo must have also been a running change, in 1988.

[RARE-ASC]

89 was the first year for 140 speedos from factory on a 5.0 foxbody not counting police pkg cars if that 88 has a 140 speedo it was swapped!

[shelbyscarab]

I must've gotten lucky with the side mirrors on my car. (I don't like where the mirrors are on the '87s). My car is #688, which means it was #248 of 1015. It was probably one of the first ones to get the mirror change.

Unfortunately I didn't get the 140 speedo though......

[asc709]

That car (like mine) has the 140 MPH Ford Motorsport speedo. The 140 MPH speedo was a running change in 1989.

FMS also made a 160 MPH speedo. I haven't seen one in a while, I just remember the marks looked too cluttered.

My car is early (#230) with the early console and the power mirrors on the door. I bet ASC pumped them out however they came in '88.

Robert

[87ASC]

Yes, but LOOK. The exterior mirrors are on the exterior DOOR, NOT attached to the "A" pillar, so....it's a late late 1988. The Speedo must have also been a running change, in 1988.

I agree with you their. So the 87's for sure did not have a 140 M.P.H. Speedo ?

[rlyons13]

Guys,

If it says "Ford Motorsports" on it, the speedo was not factory installed. ANd whoever said 1988 Mustangs did not receive the 140 MPH speedo from the factory was correct.

Interesting thing about the Ford Motorsport program. Even though many of their parts were either upgrades (chassis stiffening kit was basically the convertible bracing, the 140 MPH speedo was the 89 production unit, CObra GT-40 intake was the 1993 Cobra intake), they carried an :M: part number. And anything with an "M" part number had no warrenty. WHich is why if you're going racing in any spec class that calls for factory parts, you can't use the "M" numbers. Evan Smith had me looking all over for "F3" GT-40 heads and CObra intakes for his Project Stocker, as he couldn't use the very abundant "M" versions.

For the record, my 88 McLaren has a 140 MPH speedo with the "Ford Motorsport" logo on it. And it's a late production car. ANd I have the original 85 MPH speedo in a box in my attic.

[tfs2121]

I must've gotten lucky with the side mirrors on my car. (I don't like where the mirrors are on the '87s). My car is #688, which means it was #248 of 1015. It was probably one of the first ones to get the mirror change.

Unfortunately I didn't get the 140 speedo though......

ASC did not build the cars in the same order that ford did you might have the door mirrors and the car after you has the other mirrors... hell the first 88 might have the door mirrors and the last one have the other style

[Sandy]

Correct, Peter.

Let me expand a bit for our new comers herein.

The cars came into ascMcLaren at Autry Avenue in Livonia and were stored in a large lot.
When an order was recieved, a porter went out to find the correct "mule" ~ If the order called for a Blue Interior, he looked for a WHITE car. If it called for any other color interior, he had to look at only blackcars, and it was a much bigger task, as the black cars had Scarlet, Sand Beige, Titanium Grey or Ebony Black interiors, so he had to find the car with the requested interior.
IF the order called for a 5-Speed Manual, the cars had their windshield wipers in the "UP" posistion ON the windshield, like they'd be if the motor was on and the wipers were wiping, when the motor was turned off.

So..... they were definately NOT converted in anywhere near the same order as they were built by Ford in Detroit.

Ford built D30 (Purpose built) Mustangs to & for the convenience of ascMcLaren and to ascMcLaren's specs. They were batch built. Meaning that large batches had sequential VINs, but not all of any given year were in sequence. There were huge breaks, between orders. Most orders were for 75 or 100 units.

Your Dash Plaque will tell you what # she was FOR THAT MODEL YEAR !!

1987 is 001 to 479

1988, ascMcLaren did 1,015 cars.


Now then, to save Ford $$$ the cars were Ford Stored until the batch was all completed. Then they were shipped all over the USA. ascMcLaren did NOT start over, so... the first 1988 was # 480 and the last was 1,494. So.....
subtract 479 (number made for 1987 FROM your 1988s Dash Plaque number to find what number YOUR 1988 was,among the 1,015 1988s made.

For 1989, (Series II) ascMcLaren started over, with 001 and ended with 247 (as 247 were made.)

For 1990, again they did NOT start over, so the first 1990 was # 248, and the last was # 299 ( ) So, subtract the 247 - 1989s from your 1990 Dash Plaque to find what # of the 65 1990s made, was yours.

IF your car's Dash Plaque begins with a 16_ _ you have a replacement plaque. As series 16_ _ are replacements for people who lost the original and wrote to ascMcLaren for another one.

If your 1990 is # 1900 thru 1911 you have 1 of a dozen that were set aside to be made into a Silver Anniversary Edition. Only #s 1904 & 1907 were actually made in Sterling Silver with Scarlet Interior to be fitted with Aresma Silver Weave Cloth tops, which never happened. The OTHER 10 beginning with 19_ _ were made either Guards Red, Keweenau White or Jet Black.

You can read or re-read about the Silver Anniversary Editions here:--

http://www.ascmclaren.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=229

If you have a plaque beginning with 16## write me & I can tell you what # your car really was, IF IF IF you give me the VIN. But....I can ONLY do this for 1988 model year units.

[dk5727]

I don't think that ASC put the plaques on in the right order. I have 1988 ASC #529. When I sent Sandy my VIN and info about the car he said that my car was the 11th one produced in 1988. All of the other info regarding color, equipment, etc... matched up.

[dahberg]

[Sandy]

It's easy to see that he is NOT familiar with the car.
He has quite a bit of ascMcLaren parts, however, all
seemingly brand new Incl. Capri taillight lens covers still
ascMcLaren factory wrapped. Also dash plaques & emblems.

He put the wrong pic with each listing. He has dash plaque 1606 and
1900, which we know is from a Silver Anniversary car, actually #1.
Why it isn't on that car, I do not know. Maybe totaled ?
The car that goes with THAT 1900 plaque is VIN 132839
and is RED with RED interior & a BLACK roof.

[Sandy]

Oh, my God!

That plaque went onto Fred Cooper's car & I was personally IN IT. Fred lived near me and somehow - some crazy way, we met ! That car came from the Ford Dealer in MY hometown (only 1 they sold) & it was a 1990. It was the #1 Silver Anniversary Car, but was painted in ther ascMcLaren Red, with the (naturally) Scarlet Interior and had a black roof. In fact, it was hit & hit hard in the rear, and was repaired by Douglas Ford, in Summit, N.J. I went there to see the car's back end totally off the car, up to the tonneau cover. They did a masterful job of rebuilding it, and Fred took it back. He said later that they did a great job and BEFORE it was hit the top always squeeked, and after being repaired, the squeeks were gone.
A few years later, Fred Moved away and sold the car to someone in or around the Phila., Pa. area, I seem to recall......
It's Dash Plaque was 1900. It was the 1st car of the 12 Silver Anniversary Editions MULES to be set aside.
This ONLY means that it was a black coupe with Scarlet interior from FoMoCo. Upon arriving at ascMcLaren it was given a dash plaque beginning with 19_ _ and set aside (away) from the other 1990 Mules.
It looks to me that she probably went to the bone yard and good parts were taken off.
You will notice the film on the front of the plaque. THEY DID NOT COME THAT WAY FROM THE MANUFACTURER IN UPSTATE NEW YORK ! Seller is hiding something !! This was the plaque on Fred Cooper's 1990, from Montclair-Bloomfield Ford! I was IN this car !